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    Greeks versus the world in Athens

    thousands of people gathered in front of Greek parliament in Athens since today Greek gov. is going to vote new hard austerity measures,clashes with cops and riot squads started a few hours ago and still going on.police used tear gas,a few people were injured,there is information about a hooded protester who was captured by other protesters and he had police i.d and this vid as well with cops in plain clothes preparing globs,woods etc and giving police a reason to attack later.Demonstrators occupied official buildings in some other cities and minister of finance had to take back some of new measures to calm down members of parliament who had objections.check the following links for more.we are in deep shit here..
    http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/
    http://en.contrainfo.espiv.net/
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13773148
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13777429
    http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/0...308126411.html
    http://www.elpais.com/articulo/econo...lpepueco_5/Tes
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...75D6JK20110615

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    Greece could pay all its own bills just fine if it just modernized its tax system to collect sales tax and tax the rich. But corruption is very very very very hard to shake out of a government. All governments have it but they have it really bad.

    (that's what a Greek woman told me who runs a Greek grocery store at uptown, so it must be true, ha ha)

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    All over Europe, there's alot of hope for revolution. The only thing that worries me about the overthrow of a government in this day and age of corporate control and government corruption is that after a regime falls, it is pretty much a guarantee that the United States or some other corporate run nation will move in and get their finger in the pie. It's the same idea as the Marshall Plan after World War II and it's happening right now in Libya, Egypt etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Joseph Swanson View Post
    Greece could pay all its own bills just fine if it just modernized its tax system to collect sales tax and tax the rich. But corruption is very very very very hard to shake out of a government. All governments have it but they have it really bad.

    (that's what a Greek woman told me who runs a Greek grocery store at uptown, so it must be true, ha ha)
    No this is not the main reason of crisis:Greek crisis is a part of international crisis of capitalism and the result of a neoliberal policy of increasing debt by endless loans in governmental level the last 20-30 years and created an artificial feeling of welfare and financial euphoria,this led to over-consumption thru new loans and use of plastic money from the citizens.of course each country has its own problems and its own aspects on crisis(in Ireland the problem is in banking sector,in Greece the problem is the debt of state)and corruption and weak structure of tax system just increases the already existing problem.
    The solution? a part of 60-70% of greek debt is estimated as repulsive loans (loans against the interests of greek state) thus according to International Law could be erased (and ministers who signed for those loans will end in jail) but Greek gov doesn't want to hear a word about this.
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    For the first time in Greece a documentary produced by the audience. "Debtocracy" seeks the causes of the debt crisis and proposes solutions, hidden by the government and the dominant media.

    English subtitles

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    capitalism in crisis - wot a surprise



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    Quote Originally Posted by yan tree View Post
    capitalism in crisis - wot a surprise
    i know right. it is an easy way of freaking people out to fork over more of their rights to fell safer. still, i hope the greek public don't get fucked on this one.

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    some information about today's riot in Athens,police used tear gas and 500 protesters have breath problems,100 were injured by riot cops,fire was set to public buildings and members of Greek parliament were attacked by protesters.follow the links bellow,some vids of what happened today are included
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13960602
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13956579 (pics)
    http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/
    http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/06...videoChannel=5
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbgaZ...layer_embedded
    http://news.in.gr/greece/article/?aid=1231115567 (vid)

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    sorry to hear that. thats fukd. good luck and too bad there is not a way to increase protection for protesters. (besides the obvious that they shouldnt be gettn harmed in the first place) barriers, anti tear gas solution, force fields generated by hopes of a better tomorrow if we just stand up today, old school shields might even help. sorry to be a lil silly.
    this sounds kinda like where US is heading, no?

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    here is a shitload of pictures:
    http://news.gr.msn.com/world/gallery...ntid=158414250
    http://www.enet.gr/?i=news.el.gallery&id=740&m=125598
    http://www.zougla.gr/page.ashx?pid=2&aid=342053&cid=4
    and vids from the 28-29 June 2011:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S20_J...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R6dy...layer_embedded
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIu66kft9nM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoxxm..._order&list=UL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLRqg...layer_embedded
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-woGf...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbgaZ...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgqHA...layer_embedded
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38AjN...layer_embedded
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7NLP...layer_embedded
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTHCq...layer_embedded
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj1jX...layer_embedded

    riot squads use about 100-150 tear gas bombs and other chemical shit in a usual riotous protest,in protest of June 28 they used 2000 of these,protesters picked up some of these with expiring date the year of 1979!!!!!!,yes 1979.and just a notice here:according to some international agreements the use of these chemicals is forbidden in war (but allowed by Greek gov against the "enemy" people)
    the police probably ran out of this shit and the next day an order of new chemicals was made and its gonna cost 1 million euro.Great....

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