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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartig Net View Post
    Libertarianism is really popular with the kids these days. Not joking. A bunch of my undergrads are really into it. It's like when I was younger, it was really trendy to claim to be an anarchist, but now the anti-establishment types are getting into libertarianism instead. Not to give anyone a hard time, everybody has to do some exploring and the ones in my department are generally fine young men. It's just a trend I've noticed lately.
    I think the continuing decline of the traditional right wing/Republican party has a lot to do with this. The "culture war" in this country is essentially over demographically, and younger kids just don't give enough of a fuck about issues like abortion and gay marriage to be reliable single-issue voters any more. So youths that are attracted to the core economic values of American conservatism (roughly: fuck you Jack, I got mine) find an ideological ally in Libertarianism, with the added bonus of facing no moral opprobrium for smoking a little pot, having a sex-positive outlook or not really giving a shit one way or the other if gays want to get hitched.

    On the darker side, there is the strong support for Libertarianism in the white power community due to it's opposition to the Civil Rights Act and of course Ron Paul's long and deep ties to that movement. So some of those kids could just be stone racists too, I guess.

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    I only just figured out in the last couple weeks that Ron and Rand were two different people. I have never been much for -isms, but I can see the appeal of what little I know about Libertarianism just like I can the Tea Party (who are Libertarians, right?). Problem is a streak of just flat out conspiracy theory craziness in both. I can understand why someone would feel the name to give themselves a political label or would identify with a voting block, but I can't really relate to it. Great, so you're a "xxx." What the hell does that mean, which kind, and what does that tell me about anything?

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    For the record, you can be a libertarian and care about issues like gat marriage and abortion, I know I sure as hell do. And believe me I support both of them a lot, women have a right to choose what they do with their bodies, and religion or government should NOT be involved. And the same goes for gay marriage, I have a gay uncle, and he's really cool. Again, religion shouldn't push any agenda on the rest of us. Everybody has rights, and we need to recognize that.

    And crapscreamer, I disagree with your blanket statement that younger kids don't care about those issues, because beleive me, we do. Don't lump everybody together. Where I'm at, we've got a lot of younger kids organized into the debates of many issues and we work together.

    The thing that annoys me is that it does get such a bad rap. I'm not blindly following party guidelines, I mix several styles of politics into mine, I don't know to put a name to it, but I've got Socialist ideals mixed with Progressive and Libertarian ideals, hell even some Anarchist ideals too, I like to mold it to fit what I believe in.
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    politics walks on all fours! i'm waiting for the sun to come up in the west!
    if it's really gonna change its gonna have to all at once. or at least one true great leap forward.
    no war no death. just humanities realization that evils of the system we create them and must therefore reject them.
    until then i do the best i can to make the world around me a better place! it's all i can truly affect!
    i'm an anarchist and will always be. i won't settle for what i don't want.
    someday!? i hope and i tell you this i do not look down on anyone for there beliefs until they tell me mine are wrong!
    fuck hatred! do the nazi stomp! i don't do much political work but i do believe a better world is possible!
    now that i have two beautiful kids how could i see it any other way!

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    Anarchism is a good idea in theory, but the thing is, are you really ready for it happen? Can you sustain yourself in the event that anarchism on a large scale happens? Things are going to go back to much simpler times if you think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crapscreamer View Post
    Aw, don't give the kid too much guff. He's just young and trying to figure out what's what still. Jeez, a year or two ago the dude was practically a Trotskyist.
    Whoa, whoa, whoa... you got sumfin ta say 'bout Trots, mate?

    Kidding. As an intelligent person with Trot sympathies, I hate Trots probably more than the anarchos here. A friend of mine (an academic) came up with an accurate, but cumbersome, phrase to describe my / our politics: Post-Trotskyist left communist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extinction View Post
    Anarchism is a good idea in theory, but the thing is, are you really ready for it happen? Can you sustain yourself in the event that anarchism on a large scale happens? Things are going to go back to much simpler times if you think about it.
    Frankly, no. I need medication and shit.

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    no not 100 percent. things will get more primitive but anarchism isn't anarchism without mutual aid!
    anarchy doesn't mean you can't tell me what to do. it means we all learn to tell ourselves what to do!
    i am not a purist. i just know that an anarchist world will be the only one i can fully back.
    i'm willing to get working and not afraid to be wrong and learn to change and compromise.
    i really don't think in an anarchist society we will have to return to caves.
    that would be extreme cases. anything could happen. look at spain in 1936, it is possible.

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    I'm sorry I ran into this thread. One of my closest brothers is a libertarian. They're one of the sharpest people I've ever met. Libertarians are very much like anarchist: the cart before the horse. The arrogance and recklessness to not recognize present system capacities and human tendencies is disturbing. Markets will right themselves without intervention. We can self-police ourselves just fine. And then we get more and more specific and careless going down the line. Hey, maybe in 2000 years we'll be ready for one of these suckers. For now, it's nothing less than suicide and decimation that future generations will have to compensate. By the time anything rights itself, it's too late. Corporations can suck a landscape dry quicker than anyone, or anything, can react. It does make perfect sense that recent generations would migrate towards libertarianism. There's a lack of social awareness and concern, and we're in an age of hyper-individualism. The soundbyte and manipulation of the media has been so successful that we trust everything is A-OK. "See, everything works out without anyone meddling." I have more respect for extremist right wingers than I do libertarians. It's a dangerous form of idealism in a time and place that could do incredible damage. It's not a harmless idealism. I dare say it isn't even a positivist idealism, though I'm certain they're convinced otherwise. It's ultimately a really strange form of misery and hatred for everyone and everything.
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